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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 7, 2011 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Little Sadie

You know you’re a tad eccentric when you get the idea that a tune truly needs to be heard full blast even though, actually, it’s a quiet little ditty in a quiet, almost cracking voice and basically goes, “plunk plunk strum” ... then you keep playing it again and again (full blast) cuz it’s just so GREAT ... but fortunately the audience is equally crazy, cuz they’re just hoodling and howling away about hearing this simple little ditty that goes “plunk plunk strum.”

I’m thinking of Little Sadie. Geez, why didn’t they play that more? OK, true, the lyrics have no redeeming value (how many old songs are there about guys who cut their baby down and don’t regret it but are sure bummed to be stuck in jail or about to hang, O woe is him) but Jerry does make it sound so soulful. Of course, Jerry could have sung a restaurant menu and plunked his guitar in the background and “would you like fries with that?” would sound oh so soulful ...

I’d put on 10/31/80 and then ended up getting sidetracked by a Search For All Sadies, of which there are sadly too few, but all wonderful. If I had to pick one it might be 2/28/70; the sound is just beautiful.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-02-28.sbd.cotsman.9377.sbeok.shnf:

Also found this. It’s really moving to see immediate post-coma Jerry with John Kahn, 11/14/86:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGVLTwILAs

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Poster: Hermetically Sealed Date: Jul 7, 2011 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

I first heard this tune on Dylans' Self Portrait double

LP that came out in 1970. There are two different takes of it.

"Searching for Little Sadie" and "Little Sadie".

I found this little sample you can check out.

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/little-sadie

Quite honestly I always found his take on it hilarious.

The writing credits on the album say Bob Dylan but even then

not having heard the song before I think I may have been a

little dubious.Anyway here's a bit of info.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Sadie

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 7, 2011 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Glad someone mentioned the Dylan ones .
The first is comic, the second a fast go though .
Garcia's versions fit more with the more Doc Watsonish versions .

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Jul 8, 2011 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Has anyone really looked at Doc's influence on Garcia? Surely my SECOND favorite Grisman collaboration is Doc and Dawg. You can really hear on those records how both Doc and Jerry liked to fill a distinct role in traditional american music. "Appalachian Gothic" is a wonderful term for it.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 8, 2011 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

I got to see "Doc and Dawg" live ! One of the best live events I have ever been at .
Doc Watson was a conduit back to the pre-war musical world for a lot of our guys . He, and his influence would be a good LIA sort of post !

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Jul 8, 2011 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

jealousy setting in...

now the longing...

the despair...

Aw heck they're both still alive right? maybe it'll happen again.

Watson has a real fine voice and can pick like nobody's business. And any man of his age from a town called "Deep Gap" must know some things that the world of apple and digits and whosiewhatnot has forgotten. Seems to me that he shares them quite well.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 7, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

I like Little Sadie best during those Garcia-Kahn shows from '84- '86. It's the sparse arraignment and the magic between the two that in more clearly evident in a duet. Appalachian Gothic. That feel must of appealed to Garcia. He performed a few songs in this 'genre'.

http://tinyurl.com/5s5kpm8

> Of course, Jerry could have sung a restaurant menu and plunked his guitar in the background and “would you like fries with that?” would sound oh so soulful ...

How about a Chinese menu? ;-)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 7, 2011 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Well, let's see. Chinese with acoustic old-time/bluegrass and jazzy jamming on the menu ... could be a bit like this ... I think the words translate as "Kung Pao Chicken, hold the MSG."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTMuLS9tqk

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 7, 2011 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie is gone!

Lyrics to Werewolves Of London :
Written By LeRoy P. Marinell, Waddy Wachtel and Warren Zevon

I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand
Walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
He was looking for the place called Lee Ho Fook's
Going to get a big dish of beef chow mein
Werewolves of London

If you hear him howling around your kitchen door
Better not let him in
Little old lady got mutilated late last night
Werewolves of London again
Werewolves of London

He's the hairy handed gent who ran amuck in Kent
Lately he's been overheard in Mayfair
Better stay away from him
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim
I'd like to meet his tailor
Werewolves of London

Well, I saw Lon Chaney walking with the Queen
Doing the werewolves of London
I saw Lon Chaney, Jr. walking with the Queen
Doing the werewolves of London
I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
His hair was perfect
Werewolves of London again

Aaahoo! Werewolves of London
Draw blood
Aaahoo! Werewolves of London

I never read the lyrics in total before but, "His hair was perfect" is still my fav..

I think you may like this one.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-07-08.sbd.miller.106070.flac16

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2011-07-07 20:06:25

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Jul 8, 2011 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie is gone!

A few years ago I was in London for the day and decided to have a look around Soho, but it wasn't raining. I did find Lee Ho Fooks and decided to go on in and eat there. But I can't remember if I did order the Beef Cow Mein or not. I do remember I enjoyed it and couldn't help wondering if anyone there at the time besides me was aware of the place being in the song lyric.

Oh, and Little Sadie!! Love that song too. Very inspirational in its simplicity and basic story about human nature. A friend named his dog Sadie after the song too.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 7, 2011 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie is gone!

I nice version of werewolves but no match for the Werewolves of Bryn Mawr!

http://www.archive.org/details/wz1976-06-20.Main_Point.flac16

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 7, 2011 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie is gone!

That was cool. Thanks. His piano solo seemed to touch on a few different 'classical' music themes.

I can't believe that it's been 7 years since he died. I hope he can sleep as much as he wants to.

"Good night nurse."

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jul 7, 2011 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

"Appalachian Gothic"
Welcome to my world...

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 9, 2011 2:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

One of my favorites is Mark Lanegan's cover from his bluesy-country-cover album "I'll Take Care of You." Check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uTiw5lAo-A



Lanegan also does a decent Death Don't Have No Mercy, and other favorite covers of mine include Willie Nelson's "She's not for You" and Lennon's "Workingclass Hero." Lanegan is one of the greatest vocalist, songwriters, etc of our time, but is greatly underappreciated.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2011 4:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Well well. I think he qualifies as the Sadie Killer I'd least like to meet in an alley behind a saloon. Certainly seems the darkest and least repentant. Doc Watson's character would be some skinny grizzled guy who'd had too much moonshine and never did larn to read nor write, while Jerry feels the worst about it but knows it ain't no use to argue with that sheriff.

Found the Death Don't. Sounds like it don't, for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dC5R44gtTQ

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 7, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Nice post. As others have pointed out this tune absolutely was not played enough throughout the years.

'Been All Around This World' is very much a companion piece to this tune in the Jerry canon it seems to me. He clearly loved them both.
In both tunes the singer isn't trying to worm out of anything; he's ready to take his medicine. (Which I think fits Jerry's personality).
Surely he doesn't WANT to take his medicine, but he has resigned himself to his fate as a consequence of his actions. No trying to worm out of anything in either song with a pantload of silly lies or alibis- like we see so much of in our modern world.
What I also treasure, given this resignation, is the distaste for procedure / protocol given the circumstances. My favorite line in Sadie:
"If you got any papers why don't you read 'em to me." As if to say, 'Lets get this over with,' which echoes the sentiment of my favorite line in BAATW:
"I wouldn't mind your hangin' boys but you wait in jail so long...."

Unlike Little Sadie, BAATW seems like it had more prominence in the performing repertoire over time. I have wondered if this has to do with how the grisly details of the 'deed' are not shared in BAATW, just the fate of the singer: "It's the last you'll see of me."
As others have pointed out, the lyric content of Little Sadie veers towards the dark and dreary. Singing this tune repeatedly in performance would seem perhaps gouhlish to anyone? Better perhaps to just drive by that neighborhood ("Mama Tried" for example; that guy there isn't doing life in prison without parole for jaywalking) than to parade it's mean streets in brazen detail I suppose.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 7, 2011 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

Killing songs (fun topic)-

Candyman
El Paso
Jack -A- Roe
Jack Straw
Mexicali
MAMU
Stagger Lee

Lots of old songs. I know a missed a few (bunch). Two lady killers and the rest are cowboy killers. Like with gospel music previously discussed, more of a character inhabited, then a point of view. Or maybe Bobby is a killer for Christ.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 7, 2011 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

" OK, true, the lyrics have no redeeming value (how many old songs are there about guys who cut their baby down and don’t regret it but are sure bummed to be stuck in jail or about to hang, O woe is him) but Jerry does make it sound so soulful."

LOVE the song. Well maybe not but I love it anyway. VERY similar to Delia's gone by Johnny Cash. I dunno, It's not like I advocate killing or abusing women but yet I still don't mind listening to songs like this at all. But I'm definitely on the page you're on that this should have been played more

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 7, 2011 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

During the 12-08-91 Garcia and Grisman show (i hope you have it because it is fantastic!!) during the tuning a fan yells out" Johnny B. Goode." Oops, wrong thread, actually a fan yells out, "Little Sadie" and you can hear Jerry say onstage to someone (presumably Grisman), "that's not a bad idea." Well the don't play it that night but I think it tells you how Jerry felt about the tune.

I like the one from 2-13-70 late show. Aside from being a great version, that acoustic set starts out with Bob and Jerry trading songs that have quite the opposing personalities:

Monkey and the Engineer
Little Sadie
Wake Up Little Susie
Black Peter

huh?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 7, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Sadie

I do have that Grisman show, and yeah, I love it. I really like what I've heard of Jerry with Grisman; and 9/24/94 is so good, too, which makes me think it could have been revitalizing for the band to have dumped the midis for a bit and taken an acoustic break. Ah well.

LOL, "huh?" is right! Wake up little Sadie, but not for long, cuz your boyfriend he's comin' round ...

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